Do you believe this?

And for another great lie we can use Piltdown Man as an example if you don't mind my simply pasting from Wikipedia.....

The "Piltdown Man" consists of fragments of a skull and jawbone collected in 1912 from a gravel pit at Piltdown, a village near Uckfield, East Sussex. The fragments were thought by many experts of the day to be the fossilized remains of a hitherto unknown form of early human. The Latin name Eoanthropus dawsoni ("Dawson's dawn-man") was given to the specimen.

The significance of the specimen remained the subject of controversy until it was exposed in 1953 as a forgery, consisting of the lower jawbone of an orangutan combined with the skull of a fully developed, modern man. It has been suggested that the forgery was the work of the person said to be its finder, Charles Dawson, after whom it was named. This view is strongly disputed and many other candidates have been proposed as the true creators of the forgery.

The Piltdown hoax is perhaps the most famous archaeological hoax in history. It has been prominent for two reasons: the attention paid to the issue of human evolution, and the length of time (more than 40 years) that elapsed from its discovery to its exposure as a forgery.

We could also see what famous evolutionists think about their own theory:

Paleontologist Stephen Gould described the fossil record showing serial changes only within population kinds saying, "The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record persists as the trade secret of paleontology. The evolutionary trees that adorn our textbooks have data only at the tips and nodes of their branches; the rest is inference, however reasonable, not the evidence of fossils"

Gould described the lack of fossil evidence for serial change between major groups of organisms saying, "The absence of fossil evidence for intermediary stages between major transitions in organic design, indeed our inability, even in our imagination, to construct functional intermediates in many cases, has been a persistent and nagging problem for gradualistic accounts of evolution"

David Kitts wrote: "Despite the bright promise that paleontology provides a means of `seeing' evolution, it has presented some nasty difficulties for evolutionists the most notorious of which is the presence of `gaps' in the fossil record. Evolution requires intermediate forms between species and paleontology does not provide them"

You guys can post hoax after hoax....but any of you are yet to prove that we are created by a single all knowing god...just because some folks wanted their names to live forever as the one who found this or that, and tried to do so through hoaxes doesn't disprove anything.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the reason ppl compare birds w/ dinos is there skull</div></div>
And some, like Plesiosaurus, Pteranodon, Pterodactylus, Dimorphodon, Rhamphorhynchus, Quetzalcoatlus had hollow bones like birds.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sup-rbeast</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You guys can post hoax after hoax....but any of you are yet to prove that we are created by a single all knowing god...just because some folks wanted their names to live forever as the one who found this or that, and tried to do so through hoaxes doesn't disprove anything. </div></div>

It's not as simple as a few misguided egomaniacs perpetrating a handful of harmless hoaxes. As in the case of Dr. Ernst Haechel's theory of recapitulation, science knew this theory to be completely false as early as the 1920's, yet it was taught as a mainstay of evolutionary evidence in classrooms until at least the 1980's (I was taught this lie and I don't appreciate being lied to).

This indicates a broad conspiracy intended to deceive and indoctrinate children into a particular way of thinking!

But it get even uglier. Since Dr. Haechel and his theory was never widely revealed to be a hoax the Nazi's made a bit of a hero of him and used other teachings of his to attempt to condone their murdering of certain groups of people.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sup-rbeast</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You guys can post hoax after hoax....but any of you are yet to prove that we are created by a single all knowing god...just because some folks wanted their names to live forever as the one who found this or that, and tried to do so through hoaxes doesn't disprove anything. </div></div>

Yet I don't have to prove the existence of God because He has stated that He has indeed given all the evidence He needs to and all men stand without excuse before Him.

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
Rom 1:19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
Rom 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
Rom 1:21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man--and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
Rom 1:24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves,
Rom 1:25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

While trying not to sound like a smart alec, I can say with confidence that I don't have to prove anything concerning the God of the universe. He has spoken well enough Himself.

Now being fair to the argument, if I'm wrong in my beliefs then when I'm dead and gone I will just return to the dust and in time will be forgotten. But if I am right (and of course I believe I am), then there is an Almighty God to give account to and according to the above Scripture, no man will be able to stand before Him and give excuse as to why they didn't believe because the complexity amd beauty of creation was evidence enough.

Just came across this interesting bit of a letter written by Storrs Olson, the Smithsonian's leading expert on birds and bird fossils. It was addressing "The National Geographic Society:



"The idea of feathered dinosaurs and the theropod origin of birds is being actively promulgated by a cadre of zealous scientists in concert with certain editors at Nature and National Geographic who themselves have become outspoken and highly biased proselytizers of the faith. Truth and careful scientific weighing of evidence have been among the first casualties of their program, which is now fast becoming one of the grander scientific hoaxes of our age ? the paleontological equivalent of cold fusion. If Sloan's article is not the crescendo of this fantasia, it is difficult to imagine to what heights it can next be taken. But it is certain that when the folly has run its course and has been fully exposed, National Geographic will unfortunately play a prominent but unenviable role in the book that summarizes the whole sorry episode."

I get the feeling he ain't buyin' it [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]

dude, the scopes monkey trial had nothing to do with the Nebraska man. Not even on the same page.

Basically this guy was wanting to teach evolution to some kids in tenn, schoolboard went crazy and fired him, then two attorneys battled it out in court. They even named Bryan College (in Uva Wise's conference) after the prosecuting attorney who was pretty much like Jerry Falwell at the this time as far as his beliefs went. Theres been like 3 movies made about it. But this trial took place around chattanogga around 1925ish if my memory serves me correct.

But I had a professor tell me the city paid the guy to do this, just because they knew it was a contravery topic, and would draw national attention and boost there local economy.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But I had a professor tell me the city paid the guy to do this, just because they knew it was a contravery topic, and would draw national attention and boost there local economy.</div></div>

The Scopes trial pitted Clarence Darrow against William Jennings Bryan in Dayton Tenn in 1925. Don't believe the Hollywood portrayal of either man or the trial.

Bryan probably got the least accurate portrayal as he actually did pretty well under Darrow's questioning as to his defense of the Bible (unlike the movie version). Bryan was suppose to get to question Darrow but the judge finally put an early halt to the whole farce.

And yes it was a set up. A man named George Rappleyea (yeah I had to look up the spelling) who owned several local mines was behind the whole thing. He even tried to get H. G. Wells to participate.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DaneCook</div><div class="ubbcode-body">. the prosecuting attorney who was pretty much like Jerry Falwell at the this time as far as his beliefs went. </div></div>

Please elaborate. Thanks.